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title Hedgehog Conservation
content description Parliamentary language
date 10 November 2015
publication Hansard, Volume 602
url https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2015-11-10/debates/15111048000002/HedgehogConservation

1Hedgehog Conservation Motion made, and Question proposed, That this House do now adjourn.        [speaker=-]
2-- (Kris Hopkins.)        [speaker=-]
319:12:00 Oliver Colvile (Plymouth, Sutton and Devonport) (Con)        [speaker=-]
4Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker, for giving me an Adjournment debate on hedgehog habitats and the need to protect the species.        [speaker=Colvile]
5Before I go any further, I draw the attention of the House to my entry in the Register of Members' Financial Interests.        [speaker=Colvile]
6I still retain an interest in a small public relations company that gives advice to developers, although I am not sure they will want to talk to me after this.        [speaker=Colvile]
7I thank the British Hedgehog Preservation Society and the People's Trust for Endangered Species, and especially Henry Johnson, who has spoken to me about the importance of hedgehog conservation.        [speaker=Colvile]
8An article in The Guardian in July 2013 pointed out that hedgehogs are prickly in character, have a voracious appetite and a passion for gardens, and have a noisy sex life.        [speaker=Colvile]
9I leave it to you, Madam Deputy Speaker, to decide which of those traits I share.        [speaker=Colvile]
10In a BBC wildlife poll, hedgehogs were chosen as the best natural emblem for the British nation, beating the charismatic badger and the sturdy oak.        [speaker=Colvile;2015-11-10]
11The victory for the ultimate underdog came about with 42 <percnt> and more than 9,000 votes cast for the hedgehog.        [speaker=Colvile]
12I know what it is like to be an underdog, because that is how I felt in the run-up to the last general election, when I placed a bet on myself with Paddy Power at 4:1 against.        [speaker=Colvile]
13In short, the British people have taken hedgehogs to their hearts.        [speaker=Colvile]
14Even though we are a nation of animal lovers and have played a key role in the emergence of the modern conservation movement in the western world, Britain does not have a designated national species, unlike many other countries, including Russia, Australia and South Africa.        [speaker=Colvile]
15That is why I am calling on my hon. Friend the Minister to hold a national campaign to identify which animal should be our designated national species.        [speaker=Colvile]
16Needless to say, I will be launching a petition after this debate to name the hedgehog as our designated national species.        [speaker=Colvile]
17Jim Shannon (Strangford) (DUP)        [speaker=-]
18I was interested to hear the hon. Gentleman set the scene for us, but there are more than 100 priority species across the UK, many of which reside within my constituency.        [speaker=Shannon]
19Does he agree we need a strategy for all those species, including the hedgehog?        [speaker=Shannon]
20Oliver Colvile        [speaker=-]
21Yes, I am happy to agree, but I am talking about, and campaigning for, the hedgehog.        [speaker=Colvile]
22Perhaps the BBC might like to run a competition similar to one to find the greatest Briton, with a series of people arguing the case for their preferred animal over a series of weeks.        [speaker=Colvile]
23I would be willing to do the job on behalf of the hedgehog.        [speaker=Colvile]
24Martin John Docherty (West Dunbartonshire) (SNP)        [speaker=-]
25Does the hon. Gentleman agree that hedgehogs are a devolved issue to be decided on by the Scottish Government?        [speaker=Docherty]
26Oliver Colvile        [speaker=-]
27I am told that in the western isles, there are no hedgehogs at all.        [speaker=Colvile]
28My relationship with the hedgehog goes back to my own childhood in suburban Woking, when I was read by my actress mother Beatrix Potter's “The Tale of Mrs Tiggy-Winkle” -- hon. Members will not be surprised to learn that this is not the only Mrs T who has been important in my life.        [speaker=Colvile]
29I was therefore deeply shocked to discover that in the last 10 years, hedgehog numbers have declined by about one third nationally.        [speaker=Colvile]
30According to the House of Commons Library, the principal reason for this prickly animal's decline is the loss of habitats.        [speaker=Colvile]
31Likely factors in the hedgehog's demise are the loss of permanent grasslands, larger field sizes, the use of pesticides and herbicides and a reduction in hedgerow quality.        [speaker=Colvile]
32I understand that badgers are a natural predator of hedgehogs and that consequently they avoid sites where badgers are present.        [speaker=Colvile]
33Gavin Williamson (South Staffordshire) (Con)        [speaker=-]
34Does my hon. Friend recognise the importance of using our gardens as a vital habitat for hedgehogs?        [speaker=Williamson]
35I recently built a hedgehog house in my garden.        [speaker=Williamson]
36Sadly, as yet I have no residents in it, but I hope it will encourage diversity and a growth in hedgehog numbers in South Staffordshire.        [speaker=Williamson]
37Oliver Colvile        [speaker=-]
38I will be making a similar point in a moment.        [speaker=Colvile]
39Hedgehogs seem to thrive in urban and suburban areas, but the move to tidy, sterile gardens -- I am sure the garden of my right hon. Friend the Member for South Staffordshire (Gavin Williamson) is not sterile -- has also contributed to their demise.        [speaker=Colvile]
40However, these suburban habitats are broken up by fences and roads, pushing hedgehogs into unsuitably small areas.        [speaker=Colvile]
41Rebecca Pow (Taunton Deane) (Con)        [speaker=-]
42Another fascinating fact about hedgehogs, which my hon. Friend might be aware of, is that they run up to 1.2 km a night, but they have to find a mate.        [speaker=Pow]
43Thinking about wildlife gardening, I wonder if he might make a hole in his garden fence so that the hedgehogs can run through to find a mate?        [speaker=Pow]
44This is essential.        [speaker=Pow]
45Oliver Colvile        [speaker=-]
46My hon. Friend has been reading my speech or has had prior notice of it.        [speaker=Colvile]
47Hedgehogs need to move a surprising distance to search for food, mates and nesting sites, so we need to make it easier for them to move between gardens, perhaps by making holes in fences.        [speaker=Colvile]
48During a visit to Plymouth's hedgehog rehabilitation and care centre this autumn, in the constituency of my hon. Friend the Member for Plymouth Moor View, (Johnny Mercer), I learned that the way to tackle this problem is to stop habitat loss.        [speaker=Colvile]
49I was also rather surprised to learn that we should not leave milk and bread out for hedgehogs.        [speaker=Colvile]
50Additionally, slug pellets are a great danger that can be fatally harmful to them.        [speaker=Colvile]
51Julian Knight (Solihull) (Con)        [speaker=-]
52I congratulate my hon. Friend on securing this debate.        [speaker=Knight]
53Does he agree that the advent of specific hedgehog conservation areas, such as the one in Elmdon in my Solihull constituency, can play a major part in arresting the alarming decline in the numbers of the great British hedgehog?        [speaker=Knight]
54Oliver Colvile        [speaker=-]
55I am delighted to hear about the area in my hon. Friend's constituency, and I think it important to continue with the theme of ensuring how we can look after the hedgehog.        [speaker=Colvile]
56I was also told that elastic bands, which postmen discard when delivering letters, are also detrimental to hedgehog survivals.        [speaker=Colvile]
57There is no robust evidence on this point, but it is one of many concerns that have been raised with me about the pitfalls that hedgehogs must dodge.        [speaker=Colvile]
58Not only do we need hedgehog-friendly gardens, but I also want my hon. Friends and the Government to give local authorities advice on ensuring that hedgehogs do not get caught up in bonfires.        [speaker=Colvile]
59Last week, we celebrated bonfire night and I raised my concerns about hedgehogs making nests in the bonfires before they were set alight.        [speaker=Colvile]
60One of my hon. Friends suggested that this might be a Catholic plot to ensure that attention was taken away from Guy Fawkes -- but I rather dismissed that.        [speaker=Colvile]
61Although it is not thought that badgers are the principal culprit in the demise of hedgehogs, they can not be totally blame free.        [speaker=Colvile]
62In a major DEFRA study, which assessed the ecological consequences of badger removal during the randomised badger culling trial lasting from 1998 to 2006, it was found that removing badgers from a habitat had a number of consequences for other species.        [speaker=Colvile]
63The report said that hedgehogs rarely encountered badgers in rural sites, but were found relatively frequently in amenity areas.        [speaker=Colvile]
64Population density increased by over 100 <percnt> over the course of the randomised badger culling trial in amenity sites in proactive cull areas, while declining slightly in no-cull control sites.        [speaker=Colvile]
65No similar increases were detected in rural sites.        [speaker=Colvile]
66The report also found that there is strong evidence that badger predation restricts hedgehog populations and that amenity areas in villages act as a spatial refuge for hedgehogs.        [speaker=Colvile]
67In 2011, a further report on the state of British hedgehogs concluded that, while badgers are a natural predator of hedgehogs, where there are good foraging opportunities for worms and beetles, badgers and hedgehogs can coexist.        [speaker=Colvile]
68However, when there is no safe refuge, and badgers and hedgehogs compete for these scarce resources, hedgehogs may be in serious trouble.        [speaker=Colvile]
69A more recent study in 2014 found that in areas of preferred habitat, counts did not change where there was no badger culling.        [speaker=Colvile]
70An analysis of the original badger culling experiments, published in April 2014, shows that while at some sites hedgehog numbers did increase, following a reduction in the number of badgers, it was thought that some of the sample sizes might have been too small.        [speaker=Colvile]
71I must point out that there have been widespread calls for more research into the effects of the badger, and I welcome this.        [speaker=Colvile]
72As I explained earlier, badgers are not the sole cause of the decline in the hedgehog population, but I believe that there is a real danger that if more research is not put into the badger cull, hedgehog numbers will continue to decline.        [speaker=Colvile]
73I hope that the Minister will take note of that.        [speaker=Colvile]
74There is a pressing need to support hedgehogs in urban areas.        [speaker=Colvile]
75It is very important to focus on the barriers created by walls and impermeable garden fences and the consequent fragmentation of the hedgehog population.        [speaker=Colvile]
76The House may like to know that I am pressing my fellow neighbours at the Royal Naval hospital in Plymouth to ensure that we can create a hedgehog-friendly community and increase the number of hedgehogs in this part of my inner-city constituency.        [speaker=Colvile]
77Dr Lisa Cameron (East Kilbride, Strathaven and Lesmahagow) (SNP)        [speaker=-]
78I congratulate the hon. Gentleman on securing this debate.        [speaker=Cameron]
79I am just reading on the British Hedgehog Preservation Society site that Saturday 21 November is hedgehog day, so I wish to congratulate the hon. Gentleman on one of the timeliest debates on this issue.        [speaker=Cameron]
80Oliver Colvile        [speaker=-]
81Everybody else seems to have had notice of my speech before I ended up making it.        [speaker=Colvile]
82The progressive loss of suitable feeding areas through intensive gardening or inappropriate management of amenity grasslands are also major issues about which we can take action.        [speaker=Colvile]
83When new garden fences are installed there are “hedgehog-friendly” options, such as a small hole so that hedgehogs do not become trapped in gardens, and I urge people to consider those in future.        [speaker=Colvile]
84More than 36,500 hedgehog champions are campaigning to create hedgehog-friendly neighbourhoods.        [speaker=Colvile]
85I have now volunteered to be one, and I am the 150th hedgehog champion from Plymouth to sign up to this excellent scheme.        [speaker=Colvile]
86I am sure, Madam Deputy Speaker, that you will want to know what you can do.        [speaker=Colvile]
87Like me, you can sign up to be a hedgehog champion on the “Hedgehog Street”' website, where you can report sightings of hedgehogs on the “big hedgehog map”.        [speaker=Colvile]
88Although it is not a scientific survey, it is an excellent way in which to engage the public, and I challenge as many right hon. and hon. Members as possible to sign up to the cause.        [speaker=Colvile]
89I am delighted to report that Saturday 21 November is the day of the hedgehog, and that hundreds of people are expected to descend on the International Centre, in the constituency of my hon. Friend the Member for Telford (Lucy Allan).        [speaker=Colvile]
90I myself will be attempting to set up an all-party parliamentary group for hedgehogs, so that we can advance the cause of those prickly characters.        [speaker=Colvile]
91If any Members are interested, I should be delighted if they contacted me on oliver.colvile.mp@parliament.uk.        [speaker=Colvile]
92On the same day, the next report reviewing the four main surveys covering hedgehogs in rural and urban areas will be released.        [speaker=Colvile]
93It must be remembered that hedgehog numbers are a good indicator of the state of the natural environment, which is why these creatures are so important to the United Kingdom's ecology.        [speaker=Colvile]
94I think that there is more to be done, and I have therefore suggested to the Chairman of the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Committee, my hon. Friend the Member for Tiverton and Honiton (Neil Parish), that it should hold an inquiry into how we can save hedgehogs.        [speaker=Colvile]
95I hope that I have set out the case for hedgehogs clearly, Madam Deputy Speaker, and that you too will become a hedgehog supporter.        [speaker=Colvile]
96Now is the time to increase the public's awareness of the plight of these plucky characters.        [speaker=Colvile]
97I trust that the aforementioned Mrs T would be delighted that someone is taking up this important cause.        [speaker=Colvile]
98Madam Deputy Speaker (Mrs Eleanor Laing)        [speaker=-]
99I think I had better confirm, lest my customary silence be taken as negative, that I will of course do so.        [speaker=Laing]
10019:27:00 The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Rory Stewart)        [speaker=-]
101Multa novit vulpes, verum echinus unum magnum, Madam Deputy Speaker.        [speaker=Stewart]
102Tom Tugendhat (Tonbridge and Malling) (Con)        [speaker=-]
103In every happy home is a hedgehog, as the Pashtuns would say.        [speaker=Tugendhat]
104I urge my hon. Friend to encourage our Pashtun community in this country to follow that example.        [speaker=Tugendhat]
105Rory Stewart        [speaker=-]
106I am very grateful for that Pushtun intervention, but my hon. Friend refers, of course, to the Asian variety of the hedgehog rather than the western hedgehog, which is the subject of our discussion today.        [speaker=Stewart]
107The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.        [speaker=Stewart]
108I am extremely pleased to have the opportunity to respond to my hon. Friend the Member for Plymouth, Sutton and Devonport (Oliver Colvile).        [speaker=Stewart]
109I believe that this is the first time that Parliament has discussed hedgehogs since 1566, when the subject was famously raised in relation to the attribution of a bounty of tuppence for the collection of the hedgehog throughout the United Kingdom.        [speaker=Stewart]
110The hedgehog has undergone an extraordinary evolution.        [speaker=Stewart]
111The year 1566 seems very recent, but the hedgehog was around before then.        [speaker=Stewart]
112It was around before this Parliament.        [speaker=Stewart]
113The hedgehog, and its ancestor, narrowly missed being crushed under the foot of Tyrannosaurus rex.        [speaker=Stewart]
114The hedgehog was around long before the human species: it existed 56 million years ago.        [speaker=Stewart]
115It tells us a great deal about British civilisation that my hon. Friend has raised the subject, because the hedgehog is a magical creature.        [speaker=Stewart]
116It is a creature that appears on cylinder seals in Sumeria, bent backwards on the prows of Egyptian ships.        [speaker=Stewart]
117The hedgehog has of course a famous medicinal quality taken by the Romany people for baldness and it represents a symbol of the resurrection found throughout Christian Europe.        [speaker=Stewart]
118This strange animal was known, of course, in Scotland, Wales and Ireland originally in Gaelic as that demonic creature, that horrid creature, and is the hedgehog celebrated by Shakespeare: “Thorny hedgehogs, be not seen... Come not near our faerie queen”, and famously of course in “Richard III” there is that great moment when Gloucester is referred to as a hedgehog.        [speaker=Stewart]
119It tells us something about Britain today; it represents a strange decline in British civilisation from a notion of this magical, mystical, terrifying creature to where it is today, and I refer of course to my own constituent, the famous cleanliness representative of Penrith and The Border, Mrs Tiggy-Winkle.        [speaker=Stewart]
120I want to be serious for a moment.        [speaker=Stewart]
121The hedgehog is of course an important environmental indicator, with its habitat, its ability to occupy 30 hectares of land, and its particular relationship to the hibernaculum, by which I mean the hedgehog's ability, almost uniquely among animals in the United Kingdom, to go into a state of genuine hibernation.        [speaker=Stewart]
122Its heartbeat goes from 240 a minute to only two a minute for six months a year.        [speaker=Stewart]
123It has a particular diet -- a focus on grubs and beetles.        [speaker=Stewart]
124The street hedgehog initiative, which my hon. Friend has brought forward, reminds us that, by cutting holes in the bottom of our hedges, we can create again an opportunity for hedgehogs to move.        [speaker=Stewart]
125The hedgehog provides a bigger lesson for us in our environment -- first, a lesson in scientific humility.        [speaker=Stewart]
126The hedgehog has of course been studied for over 2,000 years.        [speaker=Stewart]
127The first scientific reference to the hedgehog is in Aristotle; he is picked up again by Isidore of Seville in the 8th century and again by Buffon in the 18th century, and these are reminders of the ways in which we get hedgehogs wrong.        [speaker=Stewart]
128Aristotle points out that the hedgehog carries apples on his spine into his nest.        [speaker=Stewart]
129Isidore of Seville argues that the hedgehog travels with grapes embedded on his spine.        [speaker=Stewart]
130Buffon believes these things might have been food for the winter, but as we know today the hedgehog, hibernating as he does, is not a creature that needs to take food into his nest for the winter.        [speaker=Stewart]
131Again, our belief in Britain that the five teeth of the hedgehog represent the reaction of the sinful man to God -- the five excuses that the sinful man makes to God -- is subverted by our understanding that the hedgehog does not have five teeth.        [speaker=Stewart]
132Finally, the legislation introduced in this House, to my great despair, in 1566 which led to the bounty of a tuppence on a hedgehog was based on a misunderstanding: the idea that the hedgehog fed on the teats of a recumbent cow in order to feed itself on milk.        [speaker=Stewart]
133This led to the death of between of # half a million and 2 million hedgehogs between 1566 and 1800, a subject John Clare takes forward in a poem of 1805 and which led my own Department, the Ministry of Agriculture, in 1908 to issue a formal notice to farmers encouraging them not to believe that hedgehogs take milk from the teats of a recumbent cow, because of course the hedgehog's mouth is too small to be able to perform this function.        [speaker=Stewart]
134But before we mock our ancestors, we must understand this is a lesson for us.        [speaker=Stewart]
135The scientific mistakes we made in the past about the hedgehog are mistakes that we, too, may be mocked for in the future.        [speaker=Stewart]
136We barely understand this extraordinary creature.        [speaker=Stewart]
137We barely understand for example its habit of self-anointing; we will see a hedgehog produce an enormous amount of saliva and throw it over its back.        [speaker=Stewart]
138We do not understand why it does that.        [speaker=Stewart]
139We do not really understand its habit of aestivation, which is to say the hedgehog which my hon. Friend referred to -- the Pushto version of the hedgehog -- hibernates in the summer as well as the winter.        [speaker=Stewart]
140We do not understand that concept of aestivation.        [speaker=Stewart]
141For those of us interested in environmental management, the hedgehog also represents the important subject of conflict in habitats.        [speaker=Stewart]
142The habitat that suits the hedgehog is liminal land: it is edge land, hedgerows and dry land.        [speaker=Stewart]
143The hedgehog is not an animal that flourishes in many of our nature reserves.        [speaker=Stewart]
144It does not do well in peatland or in dense, heavy native woodland.        [speaker=Stewart]
145The things that prey on the hedgehog are sometimes things that we treasure.        [speaker=Stewart]
146My hon. Friend mentioned badgers.        [speaker=Stewart]
147Rebecca Pow        [speaker=-]
148Does the Minister agree that the successful survival of our hedgehog population is a direct reflection of how healthy and sustainable our environment is?        [speaker=Pow]
149It is important that we should look after the environment, because the knock-on effect of that will be that our hedgehog population will be looked after.        [speaker=Pow]
150Rory Stewart        [speaker=-]
151That is an important point.        [speaker=Stewart]
152The hedgehog is a generalist species, and traditionally we have not paid much attention to such species.        [speaker=Stewart]
153We have been very good at focusing on specialist species, such as the redshank, which requires a particular kind of wet habitat.        [speaker=Stewart]
154The hedgehog is a more challenging species for us to take on board.        [speaker=Stewart]
155As I was saying, the hedgehog is a good indicator for hedgerow habitat, although it is not much use for peatland or wetland.        [speaker=Stewart]
156The hedgehog raises some important environmental questions.        [speaker=Stewart]
157One is the question of conflict with the badger.        [speaker=Stewart]
158Another is the question of the hedgehog in the western isles, which relates to the issue of the hedgehog's potential predation on the eggs of the Arctic tern.        [speaker=Stewart]
159Patrick Grady (Glasgow North) (SNP)        [speaker=-]
160On the point about the hedgehog in the western isles, we have established that hedgehogs are a devolved matter.        [speaker=Grady]
161My hon. Friend the Member for Na h-Eileanan an Iar (Mr MacNeil) is not in the Chamber at the moment.        [speaker=Grady]
162Scottish Natural Heritage is doing careful work to humanely remove hedgehogs from the Hebrides, and it would be interesting to hear how the UK Government intend to support that work.        [speaker=Grady]
163Rory Stewart        [speaker=-]
164This is an important reminder that things that matter enormously to our civilisation, our society and our hearts -- such as the hedgehog -- have to be in the right place.        [speaker=Stewart]
165In New Zealand, hedgehogs are considered an extremely dangerous invasive species that has to be removed for the same reasons that people in Scotland are having to think about controlling them there.        [speaker=Stewart]
166It does not matter whether we are talking about badgers, hedgehogs or Arctic terns -- it is a question of what place they should occupy.        [speaker=Stewart]
167Finally -- and, I think, more positively -- what the hedgehog really represents for us is an incredible symbol of citizen science.        [speaker=Stewart]
168The energy that my hon. Friend the Member for Plymouth, Sutton and Devonport has brought to the debate is a great example of British, or perhaps English, eccentricity, and it is on the basis of English eccentricity that our habitat has been preserved.        [speaker=Stewart]
169Gilbert White, the great 18th century naturalist, was himself an immense eccentric.        [speaker=Stewart]
170It has been preserved thanks to eccentrics such as my hon. Friend and, perhaps most famously of all, Hugh Warwick, the great inspiration behind the British Hedgehog Preservation Society.        [speaker=Stewart]
171He has written no fewer than three books on the hedgehog, and he talks very movingly about staring into the eyes of a hedgehog and getting a sense of its wildness from its gaze.        [speaker=Stewart]
172These enthusiasts connect the public to nature, sustain our 25 - year environment programme and contribute enormously to our scientific understanding of these animals.        [speaker=Stewart]
173This is true in relation to bees, to beavers and in particular to Hugh Warwick's work on hedgehogs.        [speaker=Stewart]
174I am also pleased that the hon. Member for East Kilbride, Strathaven and Lesmahagow (Dr Cameron) mentioned national hedgehog day in an earlier intervention.        [speaker=Stewart]
175Ultimately, we need to understand that the hedgehog is a very prickly issue.        [speaker=Stewart]
176The reason for that is that my hon. Friend the Member for Plymouth, Sutton and Devonport has raised the question of adopting the hedgehog as our national symbol.        [speaker=Stewart]
177Some hon. Members will remember that the hedgehog was used by Saatchi <amp> Saatchi in an advertising campaign for the Conservative party in 1992 general election.        [speaker=Stewart]
178We should therefore pay tribute to the hedgehog's direct contribution to our election victory in that year.        [speaker=Stewart]
179But I would like to challenge my hon. Friend's assertion that the hedgehog should become our national symbol.        [speaker=Stewart]
180I ask you, Madam Deputy Speaker, as I ask those on both sides of this House, because this question concerns not only one party, but all of us: do we want to have as our national symbol an animal which when confronted with danger rolls over into a little ball and puts its spikes up?        [speaker=Stewart]
181Do we want to have as our national symbol an animal that sleeps for six months of the year?        [speaker=Stewart]
182Or would we rather return to the animal that is already our national symbol?        [speaker=Stewart]
183I refer, of course, to the lion, which is majestic, courageous and proud.        [speaker=Stewart]
184If I may finish with a little testimony to my hon. Friend and to those innocent creatures which are hedgehogs, perhaps I can reach back to them not as a symbol for our nation but as a symbol of innocence to Thomas Hardy.        [speaker=Stewart]
185He says:        [speaker=Stewart]
186“When the hedgehog travels furtively over the lawn, One may say, ‘He strove that such innocent creatures should come to no harm, But he could do little for them; and now he is gone.’        [speaker=Stewart]
187If, when hearing that I have been stilled at last, they stand at the door, Watching the full-starred heavens that winter sees, Will this thought rise on those who will meet my face no more, ‘He was one who had an eye for such mysteries’?        [speaker=Stewart]
188Madam Deputy Speaker (Mrs Eleanor Laing)        [speaker=-]
189I paused because I wanted to encourage some more positive noises for the Minister, who has just made one of the best speeches I have ever heard in this House.        [speaker=Laing]
190Question put and agreed to.        [speaker=Laing]
19119:41:00 House adjourned.        [speaker=-]