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title Subtitle data from Ken Robinson at TED2006: Do schools kill creativity?
date 2006/02
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1Good morning .
2How are you ?
3It 's been great , has n't it ?
4I 've been blown away by the whole thing .
5In fact , I 'm leaving .
6There have been three themes running through the conference which are relevant to what I want to talk about .
7One is the extraordinary evidence of human creativity in all of the presentations that we 've had and in all of the people here .
8Just the variety of it and the range of it .
9The second is that it 's put us in a place where we have no idea what 's going to happen , in terms of the future .
10No idea how this may play out .
11I have an interest in education .
12Actually , what I find is everybody has an interest in education .
13Do n't you ?
14I find this very interesting .
15If you 're at a dinner party , and you say you work in education --
16Actually , you 're not often at dinner parties , frankly .
17If you work in education , you 're not asked .
18And you 're never asked back , curiously .
19That 's strange to me .
20But if you are , and you say to somebody , you know , they say , “ What do you do ? ” and you say you work in education , you can see the blood run from their face .
21They 're like , Oh my God , ” you know , “ Why me ? ”
22“ My one night out all week . ”
23But if you ask about their education , they pin you to the wall .
24Because it 's one of those things that goes deep with people , am I right ?
25Like religion , and money and other things .
26So I have a big interest in education , and I think we all do .
27We have a huge vested interest in it , partly because it 's education that 's meant to take us into this future that we ca n't grasp .
28If you think of it , children starting school this year will be retiring in 2065 .
29Nobody has a clue , despite all the expertise that 's been on parade for the past four days , what the world will look like in five years ' time .
30And yet we 're meant to be educating them for it .
31So the unpredictability , I think , is extraordinary .
32And the third part of this is that we 've all agreed , nonetheless , on the really extraordinary capacities that children have -- their capacities for innovation .
33I mean , Sirena last night was a marvel , was n't she ?
34Just seeing what she could do .
35And she 's exceptional , but I think she 's not , so to speak , exceptional in the whole of childhood .
36What you have there is a person of extraordinary dedication who found a talent .
37And my contention is , all kids have tremendous talents .
38And we squander them , pretty ruthlessly .
39So I want to talk about education and I want to talk about creativity .
40My contention is that creativity now is as important in education as literacy , and we should treat it with the same status .
41Thank you .
42That was it , by the way .
43Thank you very much .
44So , 15 minutes left .
45Well , I was born ... no .
46I heard a great story recently -- I love telling it -- of a little girl who was in a drawing lesson .
47She was six , and she was at the back , drawing , and the teacher said this girl hardly ever paid attention , and in this drawing lesson , she did .
48The teacher was fascinated .
49She went over to her , and she said , “ What are you drawing ? ”
50And the girl said , “ I 'm drawing a picture of God . ”
51And the teacher said , “ But nobody knows what God looks like . ”
52And the girl said , “ They will , in a minute . ”
53When my son was four in England --
54Actually , he was four everywhere , to be honest .
55If we 're being strict about it , wherever he went , he was four that year .
56He was in the Nativity play .
57Do you remember the story ?
58No , it was big , it was a big story .
59Mel Gibson did the sequel , you may have seen it .
60“ Nativity II . ”
61But James got the part of Joseph , which we were thrilled about .
62We considered this to be one of the lead parts .
63We had the place crammed full of agents in T - shirts :
64“ James Robinson IS Joseph ! ”
65He did n't have to speak , but you know the bit where the three kings come in ?
66They come in bearing gifts , gold , frankincense and myrrh .
67This really happened .
68We were sitting there and I think they just went out of sequence , because we talked to the little boy afterward and we said , “ You OK with that ? ”
69And he said , “ Yeah , why ? Was that wrong ? ”
70They just switched .
71The three boys came in , four - year - olds with tea towels on their heads , and they put these boxes down , and the first boy said , “ I bring you gold . ”
72And the second boy said , “ I bring you myrrh . ”
73And the third boy said , “ Frank sent this . ”
74What these things have in common is that kids will take a chance .
75If they do n't know , they 'll have a go .
76Am I right ?
77They 're not frightened of being wrong .
78I do n't mean to say that being wrong is the same thing as being creative .
79What we do know is , if you 're not prepared to be wrong , you 'll never come up with anything original -- if you 're not prepared to be wrong .
80And by the time they get to be adults , most kids have lost that capacity .
81They have become frightened of being wrong .
82And we run our companies like this .
83We stigmatize mistakes .
84And we 're now running national education systems where mistakes are the worst thing you can make .
85And the result is that we are educating people out of their creative capacities .
86Picasso once said this , he said that all children are born artists .
87The problem is to remain an artist as we grow up .
88I believe this passionately , that we do n't grow into creativity , we grow out of it .
89Or rather , we get educated out of it .
90So why is this ?
91I lived in Stratford - on - Avon until about five years ago .
92In fact , we moved from Stratford to Los Angeles .
93So you can imagine what a seamless transition that was .
94Actually , we lived in a place called Snitterfield , just outside Stratford , which is where Shakespeare 's father was born .
95Are you struck by a new thought ?
96I was .
97You do n't think of Shakespeare having a father , do you ?
98Do you ?
99Because you do n't think of Shakespeare being a child , do you ?
100Shakespeare being seven ?
101I never thought of it .
102I mean , he was seven at some point .
103He was in somebody 's English class , was n't he ?
104How annoying would that be ?
105“ Must try harder . ”
106Being sent to bed by his dad , you know , to Shakespeare , “ Go to bed , now !
107And put the pencil down . ”
108“ And stop speaking like that . ”
109“ It 's confusing everybody . ”
110Anyway , we moved from Stratford to Los Angeles , and I just want to say a word about the transition .
111My son did n't want to come .
112I 've got two kids ; he 's 21 now , my daughter 's 16 .
113He did n't want to come to Los Angeles .
114He loved it , but he had a girlfriend in England .
115This was the love of his life , Sarah .
116He 'd known her for a month .
117Mind you , they 'd had their fourth anniversary , because it 's a long time when you 're 16 .
118He was really upset on the plane , he said , “ I 'll never find another girl like Sarah . ”
119And we were rather pleased about that , frankly -- Because she was the main reason we were leaving the country .
120But something strikes you when you move to America and travel around the world :
121Every education system on Earth has the same hierarchy of subjects .
122Every one .
123Does n't matter where you go .
124You 'd think it would be otherwise , but it is n't .
125At the top are mathematics and languages , then the humanities , and at the bottom are the arts .
126Everywhere on Earth .
127And in pretty much every system too , there 's a hierarchy within the arts .
128Art and music are normally given a higher status in schools than drama and dance .
129There is n't an education system on the planet that teaches dance every day to children the way we teach them mathematics .
130Why ?
131Why not ?
132I think this is rather important .
133I think math is very important , but so is dance .
134Children dance all the time if they 're allowed to , we all do .
135We all have bodies , do n't we ?
136Did I miss a meeting ?
137Truthfully , what happens is , as children grow up , we start to educate them progressively from the waist up .
138And then we focus on their heads .
139And slightly to one side .
140If you were to visit education , as an alien , and say “ What 's it for , public education ? ”
141I think you 'd have to conclude , if you look at the output , who really succeeds by this , who does everything that they should , who gets all the brownie points , who are the winners --
142I think you 'd have to conclude the whole purpose of public education throughout the world is to produce university professors .
143Is n't it ?
144They 're the people who come out the top .
145And I used to be one , so there .
146And I like university professors , but you know , we should n't hold them up as the high - water mark of all human achievement .
147They 're just a form of life , another form of life .
148But they 're rather curious , and I say this out of affection for them .
149There 's something curious about professors in my experience --
150not all of them , but typically , they live in their heads .
151They live up there , and slightly to one side .
152They 're disembodied , you know , in a kind of literal way .
153They look upon their body as a form of transport for their heads .
154Do n't they ?
155It 's a way of getting their head to meetings .
156If you want real evidence of out - of - body experiences , get yourself along to a residential conference of senior academics , and pop into the discotheque on the final night .
157And there , you will see it .
158Grown men and women writhing uncontrollably , off the beat .
159Waiting until it ends so they can go home and write a paper about it .
160Our education system is predicated on the idea of academic ability .
161And there 's a reason .
162Around the world , there were no public systems of education , really , before the 19th century .
163They all came into being to meet the needs of industrialism .
164So the hierarchy is rooted on two ideas .
165Number one , that the most useful subjects for work are at the top .
166So you were probably steered benignly away from things at school when you were a kid , things you liked , on the grounds that you would never get a job doing that .
167Is that right ?
168Do n't do music , you 're not going to be a musician ; do n't do art , you wo n't be an artist .
169Benign advice -- now , profoundly mistaken .
170The whole world is engulfed in a revolution .
171And the second is academic ability , which has really come to dominate our view of intelligence , because the universities designed the system in their image .
172If you think of it , the whole system of public education around the world is a protracted process of university entrance .
173And the consequence is that many highly - talented , brilliant , creative people think they 're not , because the thing they were good at at school was n't valued , or was actually stigmatized .
174And I think we ca n't afford to go on that way .
175In the next 30 years , according to UNESCO , more people worldwide will be graduating through education than since the beginning of history .
176More people , and it 's the combination of all the things we 've talked about -- technology and its transformation effect on work , and demography and the huge explosion in population .
177Suddenly , degrees are n't worth anything .
178Is n't that true ?
179When I was a student , if you had a degree , you had a job .
180If you did n't have a job , it 's because you did n't want one .
181And I did n't want one , frankly .
182But now kids with degrees are often heading home to carry on playing video games , because you need an MA where the previous job required a BA , and now you need a PhD for the other .
183It 's a process of academic inflation .
184And it indicates the whole structure of education is shifting beneath our feet .
185We need to radically rethink our view of intelligence .
186We know three things about intelligence .
187One , it 's diverse .
188We think about the world in all the ways that we experience it .
189We think visually , we think in sound , we think kinesthetically .
190We think in abstract terms , we think in movement .
191Secondly , intelligence is dynamic .
192If you look at the interactions of a human brain , as we heard yesterday from a number of presentations , intelligence is wonderfully interactive .
193The brain is n't divided into compartments .
194In fact , creativity -- which I define as the process of having original ideas that have value -- more often than not comes about through the interaction of different disciplinary ways of seeing things .
195By the way , there 's a shaft of nerves that joins the two halves of the brain called the corpus callosum .
196It 's thicker in women .
197Following off from Helen yesterday , this is probably why women are better at multi - tasking .
198Because you are , are n't you ?
199There 's a raft of research , but I know it from my personal life .
200If my wife is cooking a meal at home -- which is not often , thankfully .
201No , she 's good at some things , but if she 's cooking , she 's dealing with people on the phone , she 's talking to the kids , she 's painting the ceiling , she 's doing open - heart surgery over here .
202If I 'm cooking , the door is shut , the kids are out , the phone 's on the hook , if she comes in I get annoyed .
203I say , “ Terry , please , I 'm trying to fry an egg in here . ”
204“ Give me a break . ”
205Actually , do you know that old philosophical thing , if a tree falls in a forest and nobody hears it , did it happen ?
206Remember that old chestnut ?
207I saw a great t - shirt recently , which said , “ If a man speaks his mind in a forest , and no woman hears him , is he still wrong ? ”
208And the third thing about intelligence is , it 's distinct .
209I 'm doing a new book at the moment called “ Epiphany , ” which is based on a series of interviews with people about how they discovered their talent .
210I 'm fascinated by how people got to be there .
211It 's really prompted by a conversation I had with a wonderful woman who maybe most people have never heard of , Gillian Lynne .
212Have you heard of her ?
213Some have .
214She 's a choreographer , and everybody knows her work .
215She did “ Cats ” and “ Phantom of the Opera . ”
216She 's wonderful .
217I used to be on the board of The Royal Ballet , as you can see .
218Anyway , Gillian and I had lunch one day and I said , “ How did you get to be a dancer ? ”
219It was interesting .
220When she was at school , she was really hopeless .
221And the school , in the '30s , wrote to her parents and said , “ We think Gillian has a learning disorder . ”
222She could n't concentrate ; she was fidgeting .
223I think now they 'd say she had ADHD .
224Would n't you ?
225But this was the 1930s , and ADHD had n't been invented at this point .
226It was n't an available condition .
227People were n't aware they could have that .
228Anyway , she went to see this specialist .
229So , this oak - paneled room , and she was there with her mother , and she was led and sat on this chair at the end , and she sat on her hands for 20 minutes while this man talked to her mother about the problems Gillian was having at school .
230Because she was disturbing people ; her homework was always late ; and so on , little kid of eight .
231In the end , the doctor went and sat next to Gillian , and said , “ I 've listened to all these things your mother 's told me , I need to speak to her privately . Wait here . We 'll be back ; we wo n't be very long , ” and they went and left her .
232But as they went out of the room , he turned on the radio that was sitting on his desk .
233And when they got out , he said to her mother , “ Just stand and watch her . ”
234And the minute they left the room , she was on her feet , moving to the music .
235And they watched for a few minutes and he turned to her mother and said , “ Mrs. Lynne , Gillian is n't sick ; she 's a dancer . Take her to a dance school . ”
236I said , “ What happened ? ”
237She said , “ She did .
238I ca n't tell you how wonderful it was .
239We walked in this room and it was full of people like me .
240People who could n't sit still .
241People who had to move to think . ”
242Who had to move to think .
243They did ballet , they did tap , jazz ; they did modern ; they did contemporary .
244She was eventually auditioned for the Royal Ballet School ; she became a soloist ; she had a wonderful career at the Royal Ballet .
245She eventually graduated from the Royal Ballet School , founded the Gillian Lynne Dance Company , met Andrew Lloyd Webber .
246She 's been responsible for some of the most successful musical theater productions in history , she 's given pleasure to millions , and she 's a multi - millionaire .
247Somebody else might have put her on medication and told her to calm down .
248What I think it comes to is this :
249Al Gore spoke the other night about ecology and the revolution that was triggered by Rachel Carson .
250I believe our only hope for the future is to adopt a new conception of human ecology , one in which we start to reconstitute our conception of the richness of human capacity .
251Our education system has mined our minds in the way that we strip - mine the earth : for a particular commodity .
252And for the future , it wo n't serve us .
253We have to rethink the fundamental principles on which we 're educating our children .
254There was a wonderful quote by Jonas Salk , who said , “ If all the insects were to disappear from the Earth , within 50 years all life on Earth would end . If all human beings disappeared from the Earth , within 50 years all forms of life would flourish . ”
255And he 's right .
256What TED celebrates is the gift of the human imagination .
257We have to be careful now that we use this gift wisely and that we avert some of the scenarios that we 've talked about .
258And the only way we 'll do it is by seeing our creative capacities for the richness they are and seeing our children for the hope that they are .
259And our task is to educate their whole being , so they can face this future .
260By the way -- we may not see this future , but they will .
261And our job is to help them make something of it .
262Thank you very much .